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13 January 2010

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Gina

Something in your post made me bite my tongue almost hard enough to bleed. But I won't say what. Let's just say, your instincts are very good.

Leila

If it's what I think it is, I AM SO MAD.
 
And also depressed.

Ms Avery

"I was so conscious of my unreasonable prejudice against him—so conscious of an unworthy suspicion that he might be speculating on my impulsively answering the very questions which he had just described himself as resolved not to ask—that I evaded all reference to this part of the subject with something like a feeling of confusion on my own part."

Yeah, this bit made me gnash my teeth.

It almost seems like Marian's need to be honourable (and, I think, honourable in a rather gentlemanly way) is one of her big weaknesses. She's so determined not to be a flighty, paranoid girly-girl that she ends up unwilling to trust her own very good instincts.

I still love her, though.

Leila


You're right -- that's EXACTLY what she's doing!  Thank you so much for putting it into words for me -- reacting to instinct would be a stereotypically female thing to do, so she's doing her damnest NOT to do it.  Even though, in this case, (so far as I can tell) she'd be completely right.
 
I wonder if did all of that wishing Walter was there because he saw Sir Percival as a villain, and had no problem with being irrational about it -- and his opinions would somehow have allowed her to give more credence to her own suspicions?

Gina

Oh, don't worry. I don't think we're thinking of the same thing. :-) Not worth getting mad or depressed over, I promise.

CC

Oh yeah; I think I know what Gina's thinking of and it's one of the awesomest of the many awesome aspects of TWIW.

And the problem with Marian is that she hasn't read enough sensational fiction.

And I think a comparison between Laura Fairlie and Dorothea Brooke (of Middlemarch) is *extremely* instructive.

Jodie

With respect to the finances I think it's common knowledge in the male, business world but no one has seen fit to inform the women and Fairlie is so far out of the loop, what with his sequestered lifestyle.

Anastasia

Heeeeere is my post: http://wp.me/pmXiL-159

Okay: Laura. I actually grew to like her a bit in Marian's section! I like how she's passively resisting, and how it's throwing Marian out of whack. I talked a little bit about that in my post (and I used the same pliability quote). And Count Fosco is the estranged aunt's husband, right? I was rather on his side before his friendship with Glyde came out in the open. But maybe he's being duped, too.

And I think that's an EXTREMELY good point about how Marian is so determined not to react like a typical female (Laura?) that she goes too far in the other direction and ends up wasting time trying to prove Glyde is Good.

Sarah I.

Phew, back from my trip and ready to jump into the discussion again and get my posts up :)

"And the problem with Marian is that she hasn't read enough sensational fiction." This from CC is totally spot on - I get frustrated with everyone's refusal to see what is so obvious to me...but how can they know, since Wilkie Collins wasn't around in there version of the world to instruct them!!

Leila

CC: I'm thinking that Middlemarch is going to have to happen. Finally.

Nice, Sarah -- we're lucky that because of Wilkie et al, we know how to Spot Villains!

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